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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MikeJones</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You have no point. You say there is no health risks that come with the plant? We need the jobs? What the hell is your point? </div></div>
The point is that the first time mention of the plant is made,folks want to scream about it being unhealthy,yet we straightpipe human waste directly into our creeks and rivers. Just how healthy is that? Point clearer now?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Indian_Dad</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MikeJones</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You have no point. You say there is no health risks that come with the plant? We need the jobs? What the hell is your point? </div></div>
The point is that the first time mention of the plant is made,folks want to scream about it being unhealthy,yet we straightpipe human waste directly into our creeks and rivers. Just how healthy is that? Point clearer now? </div></div>
Amazing how many folks that never heard of St Paul found it once theer was something to complain about. If they don't live here , they should stay out of this. I wonder who will show next, or where the next meeting is going to be held. Do the folks complaning work at a plant that is going to close?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PVFAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Denies??? OK... </div></div>
I just personally don't think the health risks are as valuable as 75 jobs or whatever is it they are going to bring in. </div></div>
Did you get that one straight off the Clinch Coalition's site, or did you think that one up yourself?
It's not just "75 jobs", and the health risks/pollution that will occur with this type of industry are as minimalized as they can get with the money spent on this particular plant. Later on down the road, as the technology gets better, there's no reason this place can't upgrade to "carbon capture compatible" later on when the technology becomes less expensive. Those systems may capture 80-90% of the CO2 released, but they may close to double the energy costs inherent in running the plant itself--then we're back where we started. Keep in mind too that there are NO coal-fired power plants in the world that have 100% CO2 capture, and a low percentage of plants that have this "carbon capture compatible" label.
As for the mercury, think of mercury as magnetite, which is used in coal prep plants. Magnetite is used to make the liquid which cleans coal more dense to allow rock & coal to separate, and after each cycle, is recycled and used again, though there is less retention each time. Same thing with mercury vapor (though that's a misnomer--mercury vapor = mercury w/magnesium & titanium--which is less environmentally unsafe). It's used to "wet" the steel heating tubes, and the steam byproduct from that is a mercury/steam mix which has 33-50% more energy production than steam only. That stuff has to condense sometime from steam back into semi-solid/liquid form, and when it does--there are ways in place to recycle a part of that for reuse because mercury is super-expensive, especially in this application. It's not all just "being released into air and streams".
SO--it's not just the "75 jobs", it's how safe/efficient/eco-friendly this place that the operators will strive to run this place due to industry standards, and the fact that coal transportation costs will go down, helping the main industry around here (coal mining/processing) and also make power cheaper as a whole in the long run for Virginians. This will save our main industry money, meaning it can flourish better, meaning our area can flourish with it.
The environmentalists would rather paint the picture of the Simpsons 3-eyed fish in the streams to scare people out of supporting something like this, when that's going to be far from the case. If you're still scared of the health risks, then you're buying what the Appalshop's selling.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Indian_Dad</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MikeJones</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You have no point. You say there is no health risks that come with the plant? We need the jobs? What the hell is your point? </div></div>
The point is that the first time mention of the plant is made,folks want to scream about it being unhealthy,yet we straightpipe human waste directly into our creeks and rivers. Just how healthy is that? Point clearer now? </div></div>
So your saying we need to stack health risks on top of each other and that makes it all better?
Nah I get your point on that. We got [censored] going str8 into creeks and we dont [censored] the water. But honestly do we need to corrupt the air to?
A car has a catalytic converter to make the emissions cleaner. You gonna breath str8 from the exhaust pipe?
Every time we fire up a coal truck,we corrupt the air. We have been doing it for years. We do it when we start our vehicles,as well as many other things we do daily to screw the environment. This plant is not going to do anything that we haven't already done. The plant will however put some folks to work. We have sacrificed a clean environment here in SWVA because coal is our lifeblood,has put us to work and fed our families. It is what it is.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MikeJones</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Indian_Dad</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MikeJones</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You have no point. You say there is no health risks that come with the plant? We need the jobs? What the hell is your point? </div></div>
The point is that the first time mention of the plant is made,folks want to scream about it being unhealthy,yet we straightpipe human waste directly into our creeks and rivers. Just how healthy is that? Point clearer now? </div></div>
So your saying we need to stack health risks on top of each other and that makes it all better?
Nah I get your point on that. We got [censored] going str8 into creeks and we dont [censored] the water. But honestly do we need to corrupt the air to? </div></div>
Geez...
DEQ fights an ongoing battle all the time against straight-piping. They do all they can do, and most of the time, it's a quandary of government versus individual rights. Most impoverished areas straight pipe into creeks for 1 of 2 reasons:
1. they don't have enough land/are too rural to receive county/city sewer.
2. they don't have enough money to install a septic system.
So--the local government wants to force someone to install a septic system. The person either insists on the local govt granting them sewer access, and the govt counters that they can install a septic system, and then the person counters that they want govt funding to install the system--it's a vicious cycle, and the main reason why we still have straight piping. Until a consensus is made to stop that cycle, or this area becomes less rural geographically or economically--it's going to continue to be a problem.
The air isn't going to become LA smog in this area due to 1 coal-fired power plant either, contrary to popular environmentalist belief & mantra. Quit drinking the Kool-Aid.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MikeJones</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A car has a catalytic converter to make the emissions cleaner. You gonna breath str8 from the exhaust pipe?</div></div>
That's a dumb argument. My lungs aren't the natural atmosphere--totally different situations--and filled with hyperbole to attempt to prove a point w/no facts, but shock value. You probably read 2-3 words out of what I typed--I don't know why I bother with dumb people who want to heckle like you and want to avoid actual discussion to no end.
You have no facts just a cut and paste from another site. LOL your Mr Hi IQ. Thats a joke BTW.
LOL you just admitted the natural atmosphere will be polluted. And will have to detoxify itself. Good one Dumb ass
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CoeburnCane</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MikeJones</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Indian_Dad</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MikeJones</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You have no point. You say there is no health risks that come with the plant? We need the jobs? What the hell is your point? </div></div>
The point is that the first time mention of the plant is made,folks want to scream about it being unhealthy,yet we straightpipe human waste directly into our creeks and rivers. Just how healthy is that? Point clearer now? </div></div>
So your saying we need to stack health risks on top of each other and that makes it all better?
Nah I get your point on that. We got [censored] going str8 into creeks and we dont [censored] the water. But honestly do we need to corrupt the air to? </div></div>
Geez...
DEQ fights an ongoing battle all the time against straight-piping. They do all they can do, and most of the time, it's a quandary of government versus individual rights. Most impoverished areas straight pipe into creeks for 1 of 2 reasons:
1. they don't have enough land/are too rural to receive county/city sewer.
2. they don't have enough money to install a septic system.
So--the local government wants to force someone to install a septic system. The person either insists on the local govt granting them sewer access, and the govt counters that they can install a septic system, and then the person counters that they want govt funding to install the system--it's a vicious cycle, and the main reason why we still have straight piping. Until a consensus is made to stop that cycle, or this area becomes less rural geographically or economically--it's going to continue to be a problem.
The air isn't going to become LA smog in this area due to 1 coal-fired power plant either, contrary to popular environmentalist belief & mantra. Quit drinking the Kool-Aid. </div></div>
do you read posts or just post stupid stuff. I was agreeing to his point.
*Mike you are warned*